Posted by ShaunS on
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To NOT answer your request, here's the definition from the Apple Dictionary:

the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods: ideas about the relationship between science and religion.

and so on...

I did read your well written article. The hypothetical gravity god was well put.

To answer your question is a tall order, but science doesn't even bother. Science simply classifies it as untrue, a form of wishful thinking, an error in reasoning. In contrast we have Science excluding the human influence over their experiments. They are not excluding religious influence, because they are confident that there isn't any, but they are excluding human influence because they have evidence for it.

My greater interest in this regard lies with the Christian Saints may of whom were persecuted for their beliefs. Were their miracles personally achieved or the product of their religion?

A person can produce an influence upon the world. Perhaps this is a gift from God as suggested by Anatol. This personal power is limited. Many forces can persist for about 2 weeks after which what little power is present collapses. Hence the 14 day payment protection guarantee (or what ever) as capitalism has some of this influence. This is not religion. The placebo and nocebo effects may be based on this. The emotional speeches of Adolf Hitler are not seen as political - he was doing something. A lot can be done in two weeks of time, with this limited effect. Perhaps feminism is being promoted in this way? I suggest this because clearly their views are not Scientific, or Religious, or magical, or factual. The stupidity of their arguments is very severe. It's not female logic.

Religion is an external force. My view is that it evolved from magic (in human understanding) as a byproduct of the realisation that all of the magical practices were drawing energy from the same source. So religion does not depend on humans and can exist independently (or in other creatures). One of the Rabbi's suggested three former existences prior to our own (thus Dinosaurs, Birds and Angels, not to mention Satan as a reptile). A God may be present as an aspect of the laws of Physics. Science therefore embraces religion in the context of taking these physical forces into consideration. The God Jehovah is seen as a local god of the Earth (due to physical placement). Death is seen as the God of the particle universe (our particular universe). The picture is fairly complex.

While science may account for the forces of religion as the observed forces of the world around it, it never-the-less has to then exclude the separate force of the observer/experimenter as a separate independent influence capable of deflecting these existing forces often through subconscious interference.

I seem to recall an instance of a meteorite with an abundance of titanium. Not sure I remember that correctly. It was later found that the lab assistant who was using the spectrum analyser was wearing a titanium ring, and had accidentally contaminated the sample. So the wrong answer was given due to human influence.

So I'm indicating the possibility of feminists doing something like this. Because religion and science are not impacting on them. This other method is required to block them using their own techniques. Fighting fire with fire.