Posted by ShaunS on
URL: https://coalpha.arkian.net/The-Problem-Is-Us-Not-Them-tp6017977p7576303.html

You are both correct. Science has made it's gains by rejecting religion and it's morality, and also by vigorously excluding human emotions and biases. In this way Science has uncovered factual data.

It's clear that science has made it's progress by ignoring morality and double blind testing shows that it tries to remove human intervention or opposition. Science is cold emotionless and immoral, but it's success has been based on this. Although it does have the data that supports us you are right in saying that this data is being ignored (it's not just lack of understanding).

The interesting feature here is the emotional humanistic stuff (psychology? sociology?). While science does clearly reject religion as shown by history it's also rejecting this other 'thing':

               Religion
Science <
               Humanistic?

It's this humanistic item that is perhaps needed, not religion. That seems to be what the feminists are responding to? Although most of our progress has been made by science it isn't the answer as you guys point out. Clearly there is some kind of humanistic emotional area that is not religious, and this is where the answer may perhaps be found.

This area is an area that science identifies as a source of error. The placebo effect is one of it's powers for example. Although less functional than science it can clearly have short term functionality. Clearly something more than the animals have and something that science tries to remove. I am qualified enough to say that it isn't magic, but more investigation will be required.

The difficulty here is that whatever it is will be difficult to pin down as it's not scientific or religious but has something to do with superstition (or psychological warfare). It may also have been rejected by religion, so religious texts may give some indication.