Posted by ShaunS on
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I thank you for your reply.

"Feminism IS equality." cammib:
http://caamib.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/a-message-to-anti-feminists/

It's interesting because it's caamib's idea and he's one of your CoAlphas. Given the argument below (The Subjection of Women) where I am quoting the line referring to equality - perhaps caamib is right and the argument is not nonsense as you suggest?

There is a Wikipedia article on "The Subjection of Women" here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Subjection_of_Women

I would quote from there: '... [T]he legal subordination of one sex to another – is wrong in itself, and now one of the chief hindrances to human improvement; and that it ought to be replaced by a system of perfect equality, admitting no power and privilege on the one side, nor disability on the other.'

This is one of those phrases that sounds good, much like descriptions of Communism. You are correct when you say that "Women are actually better off under patriarchy.". So there is a big difference between theory and practice. Just as Communism sounds good but doesn't work in practice the same may well be true here. The problem though is that it does sound good but if it's wrong a significant effort would be required to argue against such a point.

If Liberalism is dominated by immoral men, can you say that these men are the stupid immoral omega men that are the real winners. I'm not trying to twist it in any way. Clearly you identify two enemies. On the one hand the 'immoral men dominating liberalism', on the other the 'feminists' that they are promoting. The question then is this: Are the 'immoral men dominating liberalism' the 'stupid immoral omega men' or do you have a third enemy here?

Please forgive my ignorance the problem appears less severe in the UK which is fairly multicultural. We take the view that American women are well known for being arrogant. I have noticed that there are feminists that reject liberalism, so it's a fairly confused picture.