Posted by chibbity on
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fschmidt wrote

chibbity, first there is no need for you to say that you aren't a troll.  We practice a very archaic custom here on this forum called "free speech".  This means that even if you were a troll, we would still allow you to say whatever you want.

I think that's a good model. My reasoning for stating it was to hopefully change the context in which people began reading my post.

fschmidt wrote

I am familiar with the type of neighborhood in which you live.  The women marry late, around age 30, and the birth rate is low.  Am I wrong?  Feminism takes several generations to destroy a society, and one of the ways in which it does this is by shifting the demographics aways from product people like those in your neighborhood.  Most people who live in neighborhoods like yours live a fairly sheltered life and are unfamiliar with other segments of society.  I suggest you spend some time in the nearest slum.  There the birth rate is much higher than in your neighborhood.  The women have children earlier.  And they often don't know who the father is.  This birth rate differential will change the nature of society.

Another suggestion is to look at illegitimacy rates over time.  We have some data here including a graph and raw data that I got from the U.N.

You're spot-on with your prediction about the areas in which I and the people I associate with live. I live in the Netherlands, and there definitely exists a class divide between more affluent areas and less affluent areas in terms of age at first marriage and the birth rate.

You're also correct that there is a significant difference between these areas and what you call slums. A higher birth rate due primarily, but not solely, on beginning at a younger age. The rest, I think, depends on what you could deem 'often.' I can't support a direct link between illegitimacy rates and "not knowing who the father is", because that specific graph refers to children born to unmarried women. In the Netherlands, at least, as with a lot of western Europe, marriage has become an institution mostly for the religious. Most young, non-religious people form long-term cohabitation love relationships and have children within those boundaries, which is a different thing altogether from not knowing who the father is.

I have other thoughts on the long-term effects of differential fertility rates, because I find it fascinating, and as a statistician, modelling the potential outcomes is something of a hobby of mine. It's probably best reserved for another time, however.

fschmidt wrote

I don't know your age, which would determine a lot about how you structured your life.  But let me tell you about a woman currently in her early twenties in your neighborhood.  She will keep up appearances, a facade of civilized behavior.  But she may well have a tattoo somewhere on her body that isn't normally visible.  She finds this exciting because it subconsciously represents the evil of modern culture.  In the prime of her youth, she will not want to settle down with the productive men of your neighborhood.

I find it difficult to respond to this, because so much of it does not jibe with my own experiences. Many women in their twenties and thirties here have visible tattoos, although I think you're only using this as an example of a hidden taboo. Maybe there are better ones I could think of?

I'm in a unique situation because I'm really quite young to be in my situation in life.  I'm twenty-nine, so most of the parents of children my daughter's age are often half a generation or so older than me. However, I've also just finished my Masters degree. There, my classmates were primarily in their early twenties.

Both the young men and the young women in my class (there were twelve, so it's quite a low sample size) have no interests in settling down at this point, but engage in serial monogamy with potential long-term life partners selected on the basis of mutually shared interest and attraction. The one exception is actually the most intelligent guy in the class who's spending some time right now sleeping around with women who are interested in the same thing.  

The girls, at least, aren't selecting for "bad boys" but for competent peers.

fschmidt wrote

 She will have casual sex with the men in your neighborhood who are best at shallow entertainment.  And she will have sex with the occasional omega low-life as a thrill.  By her late twenties, she will become bored of this and be ready to settle down.  Some spineless man in your neighbor who had virtually no sex in his prime years while she was being a slut will be her victim and will marry her.  This marriage has a moderate probability of divorce and a high probability of marital infidelity on her part.  I blame the man more than anyone for being so weak as to be willing to put up with this.

I'm missing some math here, I think. If this hypothetical woman is sleeping around casually with the neighborhood men (NM) who will later be marriage material, why does the NB have "virtually no sex in his prime years" if she was being a slut?  Assuming that all the girls we're talking about are neighborhood girls (NG) and they are having lots of sex, primarily with NM, but let's say occasionally with omega men (OM), then most of the sex in the neighborhood will be between NG and NM, leading to a roughly equal number of sexual experiences between NGs and NMs, all of which happens in the prime of their lives.