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"So what rule did you break?"

...really? You have to ask that question? "...but you cannot directly attack a person or website." Plainly obvious...

"Bullshit.  I am sorry that you are unwilling to accept the facts."

Ok, sure. Yup, you're the ONLY person on the entire internet spouting fundamentalist bullshit and getting censored all over the place for it. Have you tried sharing your views with other religious fundamentalists? I've seen far worse than what you've written many times.

"Using this argument, I could say that rape with a condom really isn't much of a crime because the evolutionary risk is removed."

You make this too easy...so basically, then, if a woman cheats on her husband with a man and doesn't get pregnant, then she's not caused any evolutionary harm, which is the whole reason why you're against it. By this logic, it's also ok for a wife to cheat on her husband with another woman, because there's no chance of pregnancy. So basically, by your OWN logic, a man should only be allowed to throw out his wife and kill the other guy...IF she gets pregnant.

"These are analogous crimes, adultery is to men what rape is to women."

I think a lot of people would disagree, especially rape victims. That's just your own personal opinion.

"In normal non-feminist countries, male extramarital sex is expected."

And it's wrong when it happens.

"The wife gets upset if the husband takes a mistress, in other words another partner, because this means the husband is diverting resources away from the wife's family."

Sounds like a pretty fucking good reason. Do you condone men having extramarital sex? Sounds that way so far.

"There are sciences where experiments are not possible.  Paleontology for example."

Paleontology is generally considered less reliable than empirical sciences, for the very reasons I've already explained: No rigor. Fossil evidence is considered vastly inferior to genetic evidence, for example, in the study of evolution.

"Not true, men have tribe formation instincts even if most men are stupid.  The best possible government is a democracy of all men."

Speculation.

"Adding selection criteria like intelligence testing invites abuses by those in power to manipulate the tests to select an electorate for their own benefit."

You've already added selection criteria: Being a man. Hypocrite much?

"But voting on issues relating to caregivers is abstract and basically tribal, so the maternal instinct isn't applied in this case, so women should not vote on this or any issue affecting the tribe in general."

Speculation.

"If A causes B and C and C is the goal..."

Except we can't determine causality, remember? You even used the word CAUSE.

"...then trying to get B isn't a bad idea and may be accomplished by A."

Depends entirely on context.

"The best we can do is to find those things that correlate with virtue and aim for those."

Arguably true, in the absence of a way to be sure. But a shitload of speculation based off of some ancient book written by a bunch of superstitious middle-eastern goat herders or the arguments of some armchair sociologist doesn't strike me as a wise idea.

"This makes sense because the evolutionary purpose of morality is to increase the strength of the tribe and these traits are selfish traits that benefit individual reproduction at the expense of the tribe."

Exceeeeeeppt.....that these so-called "evil" traits are very often successful from an evolutionary standpoint, which is why they're literally ALL OVER nature.

"It isn't disadvantageous enough for the species to go extinct but is disadvantageous.  There are more pigeons than peacocks and this is one reason why."

Feel free to submit this hypothesis to the scientific community, then. Let's see how well it holds up to scientific scrutiny.

"What I mean when I say that residual reproductive value isn't forward looking is that it is a local optimization in time and not a global optimization for the future."

The most successful species combine both. Also, I should point out that there are literally dozens upon dozens of birds that have very brilliant sexual selection characteristics, such as the Scissor-Tailed Flycatcher, Goldie's Bird-of-Paradise, and the Long-Tailed Widowbird. Birds have been doing this crap since at LEAST the Cretaceous period, and are showing no signs of slowing down. I really think the evidence is against you on this one.

"Evolution works based on current conditions without regard to future condition."

Well, we've had millions of years for all of these silly birds and their "evil" traits to disappear, yet they're still here...

"Backed by history."

We'll just have to see, if it happens in our lifetimes.

"Unfortunately I won't live long enough to see the liberals slaughtered, but I am heartened by the certainty that they will be."

You're hardly the first bloodthirsty religious fundamentalist I've met. So you're considering between Japan and Islam, are you? I strongly suggest Islam for you, given that you apparently love the wholesale slaughter of people. Japan kinda got over that a few decades ago.

Also, your daughter will fit right in, I'm sure she has no problems being a second-class citizen having been raised by you.