Posted by JohnX on
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fschmidt wrote

JohnX wrote

Wikipedia defines it as follows: Marriage (or wedlock) is a social union or legal contract between people that creates kinship.

Getting married today (in the West) doesn't make that much sense

Are you using the word "married" in your second sentence in a way consistent with the Wikipedia definition?  I think you aren't.

I think the Wikipedia definition is broad enough to be consistent with modern marriages (what you call anti-marriage).

That is not to say that there aren't great differences between traditional and modern marriages, of course.

This license is neither a social union nor a legal contract.

I think it is, only of a very different kind than it used to be. So different, perhaps, that modern marriages shouldn't be called marriages at all, but either way the Wikipedia definition doesn't specify the details, like the content of the contract or dept of the kinship.

 I believe this license should more accurately be called an anti-marriage license since it is designed to destroy marriage.

You got a point.

I support marriage as defined by Wikipedia, and it saddens me that MRAs and MGTOW have accepted the feminist redefinition of marriage.

Disagreeing about the definition doesn't necessarily imply disagreement on the subject matter itself though, only that the ideas have to be phrased differently.

If I say "marriage sucks" on Happy Bachelors I mean modern marriage. If I want to communicate that idea here I'd say "modern marriage sucks" or perhaps "marriage 2.0 sucks", or whatever I think gets the idea across. Likewise, if I say "I support marriage" here I mean traditional marriage, but on Happy Bachelors I'd have to write that out: I support traditional marriage.

So even if I for convenience sake switch definition between forums (which I may or may not do, I'm not sure, this is just an illustration) that doesn't change my underlying ideas. It's just to ease communication.

(That's not to say that I would accept any definition, or that it's completely arbitrary, there's always and cost and a benefit to each definition, but there isn't necessarily only one right definition for all circumstances either. Convenience matters, I don't want every discussion on the topic to turn into a battle over definitions.)

That said, I know some (perhaps many) MGTOWs do disagree with you about the value of marriage (what you mean by it), not just the definition. Not all though.