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We have had some trouble with Nabble so it make have been at a time when the database had problems.  But you should be able to merge the threads now.  Or I can do it if you prefer.

I'm not sure how much history you know, but in the book "Sex and Culture" Unwin makes a strong case that empires fell because they suffered the equivelent of feminism.  Let me quote Unwin where he starts talking about Rome from the time after Augustus and you can tell me what you think:

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In some parts of the Empire, however, the old Roman traditions were preserved. In Italy, Gaul, Illyria, and Spain, the old idea of the family was still put into practice. The ladies even did their hair in the old-fashioned way, long discarded by those who lived in the city. The sons of these women went to Rome, succeeded to high office, and controlled the Empire. They entered the senate and restored some of its old authority. From this provincial stock came Trajan, Hadrian, and the Antonines.

It is often supposed that in the second century the Roman Empire was at its strongest. These provincials were the men who gave it strength, conditions in the provinces being such as to produce social energy.

Then in their turn the provincials reversed the habits of their fathers by extending their sexual opportunity. Paederastry also was not unknown. The lack of energy displayed by their sons and grandsons is apparent in the records of the third century.

Yet once more there emerged a group of men who had spent their early years in an atmosphere of compulsory continence. I mean the Christians. They had survived many violent persecutions; eventually they dominated the Empire, which in the fourth century recovered the strength it had shown in the second century. The Edict of Milan may have been a political move, but Constantine was right in thinking that the Christians were the men on whom he should rely. Then the Christians in turn changed their habits. In the matter of post-nuptial regulations they compromised with civil authorities; they also encouraged, even commanded, their finest women to be sterile. Then the Teutons overran the Western Empire. These Teutons possessed, in regard to sexual regulations, the same absolutely monogamous ideas that the Sumerians, Babylonians, Athenians, and Romans had once possessed, and later discarded.
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A little explanation is needed. Unwin published this in 1934. As an anthropologist, he discovered a perfect correlation between controlling female sexuality and societal development. But he could not understand the cause of this, so he wrongly attributed it to the idea the regulating female sexuality limits sexual opportunity for men and that this repressed sexuality is a source of energy. He reached this conclusion because he was influenced by Freud and because living in the 1930s, he could have no real understanding of what it is like to live in a society where the plague of feminism is in full force. This is why he makes the comments above about men's sexual opportunity, but what he is really observing is the relaxation of the regulation of female sexuality.

This pattern of increased rights for women followed by the collapse of society is something that he found to universally true through history.  So what comes next for us is not more state control, but rather more corruption and more inefficiency as Western culture slowly descends to the level of the third world.